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		<title>By: Lucky</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14121</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe too much emphasis is placed on the preliminary rankings. It leads to a team such as the Peewee Kahnawake team being rated &quot;D&quot; for the provincials even though they have beaten Akwesasne twice (rated B), Gloucester I (rated B), Cornwall (rated a high C) and easily defeated Gloucester II twice (rated C). Apparently the zone submitted them as a D team in the preliminary rankings and the ranking was retained regardless of their wins vs B &amp; C ranked teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe too much emphasis is placed on the preliminary rankings. It leads to a team such as the Peewee Kahnawake team being rated &#8220;D&#8221; for the provincials even though they have beaten Akwesasne twice (rated B), Gloucester I (rated B), Cornwall (rated a high C) and easily defeated Gloucester II twice (rated C). Apparently the zone submitted them as a D team in the preliminary rankings and the ranking was retained regardless of their wins vs B &amp; C ranked teams.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Columbus</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R. Columbus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi!

I believe that the teams are ranked at the strtof the season and this should be the driving factor.  If you are ranked a C at the start and you play a C turnament and blow everyone alway then you need to correct this and go to a B turnament to see how you do.  You need to start wth a baseline and work from their.  Applying for a ranking will not do anythng; but have teams wasting time and what is the rules for applying that would make it so different.  It would be better to force team to play at least 1 tournament out of their zone so all can compare and measure each other up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I believe that the teams are ranked at the strtof the season and this should be the driving factor.  If you are ranked a C at the start and you play a C turnament and blow everyone alway then you need to correct this and go to a B turnament to see how you do.  You need to start wth a baseline and work from their.  Applying for a ranking will not do anythng; but have teams wasting time and what is the rules for applying that would make it so different.  It would be better to force team to play at least 1 tournament out of their zone so all can compare and measure each other up.</p>
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		<title>By: Laxfan</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14083</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could be wrong but....

My understanding is that Zone 10 (Yes my child plays in zone 10) meets &amp; comes up with ratings. - 

By that I mean, just before the ratings deadling, all associations from zone 10 ( i would assume the president and/or rep convenor from each) meet &amp; go over each of their teams.

They look at the teams original ranking at the start of the year &amp; then look at all of their game results to that point. 

Then everyone in that room agrees on what rating they think that individula team should have.

After this meeting all of these ratings are put forth to the OLA for their approval.

Is this perfect, probably not as the OLA I&#039;m sure changes some of the ratings, but I would trust that having all zone officials looking at each other&#039;s club result helps keep the proposed rating reccomedations un-biased to a degree

Does any other zone do this??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong but&#8230;.</p>
<p>My understanding is that Zone 10 (Yes my child plays in zone 10) meets &amp; comes up with ratings. &#8211; </p>
<p>By that I mean, just before the ratings deadling, all associations from zone 10 ( i would assume the president and/or rep convenor from each) meet &amp; go over each of their teams.</p>
<p>They look at the teams original ranking at the start of the year &amp; then look at all of their game results to that point. </p>
<p>Then everyone in that room agrees on what rating they think that individula team should have.</p>
<p>After this meeting all of these ratings are put forth to the OLA for their approval.</p>
<p>Is this perfect, probably not as the OLA I&#8217;m sure changes some of the ratings, but I would trust that having all zone officials looking at each other&#8217;s club result helps keep the proposed rating reccomedations un-biased to a degree</p>
<p>Does any other zone do this??</p>
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		<title>By: anonomouse</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14081</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marksy, who are your favourites for The Midget B / C provincials ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marksy, who are your favourites for The Midget B / C provincials ?</p>
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		<title>By: momo</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14077</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why not just make a 3rd weekend of qualifiers for A and make it between 18 and 21 teams therefore teams that want to go a wont whine and it will make the other divisions more uniform because strong B teams will go a]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not just make a 3rd weekend of qualifiers for A and make it between 18 and 21 teams therefore teams that want to go a wont whine and it will make the other divisions more uniform because strong B teams will go a</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have rating tournaments that are a single division and cover all levels (A,B,C &amp;D).  Have several for each Division scattered over the province and make it mandatory to attend one rating tournament  and any otherOLA tournament.  This way teams would have to attend so that teams can start to see where they rate amongst others.  

I&#039;m sure if someone starts to compile all these ideas something has to come out of all this discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have rating tournaments that are a single division and cover all levels (A,B,C &amp;D).  Have several for each Division scattered over the province and make it mandatory to attend one rating tournament  and any otherOLA tournament.  This way teams would have to attend so that teams can start to see where they rate amongst others.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if someone starts to compile all these ideas something has to come out of all this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McCroskey</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McCroskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t we leave it as it stands, with one change.  Right now, in the spring, initial ratings are sent in.  These are nothing more than educated guesses, but really, not that far from reality.  Prior to the final zone rating meeting, all teams must have played and provided scores for a minimum of 6 tournament games.  These tournaments should be played at a level that is consistent with the initial team rating.  If this condition is not met, the team will NOT be elibible for the provincials.  This cease those teams who go into only 1 one day tournament and expect to be classed the same as those who go into 2 or 3.  It seems that when a team that goes into none or only one, they get rated into a lower rating due to lack of results available.  It also allows the OLA to better understand how a team performs in comparison to a wider group (rather than just against the teams in their respective zone).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we leave it as it stands, with one change.  Right now, in the spring, initial ratings are sent in.  These are nothing more than educated guesses, but really, not that far from reality.  Prior to the final zone rating meeting, all teams must have played and provided scores for a minimum of 6 tournament games.  These tournaments should be played at a level that is consistent with the initial team rating.  If this condition is not met, the team will NOT be elibible for the provincials.  This cease those teams who go into only 1 one day tournament and expect to be classed the same as those who go into 2 or 3.  It seems that when a team that goes into none or only one, they get rated into a lower rating due to lack of results available.  It also allows the OLA to better understand how a team performs in comparison to a wider group (rather than just against the teams in their respective zone).</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://lacrosseinsidethegame.com/2009/07/15/thoughts-on-minor-rankings/#comment-14023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Boro&#039;s idea of applying for your ranking, the only problem with this is who applies?  Is it the coaches that have worked hard all year to get their team to be an &quot;A&quot; team or the organization that would rather see them play B to have a shot to win?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Boro&#8217;s idea of applying for your ranking, the only problem with this is who applies?  Is it the coaches that have worked hard all year to get their team to be an &#8220;A&#8221; team or the organization that would rather see them play B to have a shot to win?</p>
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		<title>By: Boro</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Better yet, have the teams apply for their rankings.  Have them submit zone scores, tournament results and rosters with their application, along with any pertinent information that they believe would secure them that rank.  Then based on numbers allocated to each division allot the available spots.  This eliminates the OLA data search.

If a team doesn&#039;t apply they don&#039;t go.  If they don&#039;t provide zone and tourney results, they don&#039;t go.  Take the burden off the OLA and put it squarely on the shoulders of those that are currently burning up the OLA Minor Board.  The parents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better yet, have the teams apply for their rankings.  Have them submit zone scores, tournament results and rosters with their application, along with any pertinent information that they believe would secure them that rank.  Then based on numbers allocated to each division allot the available spots.  This eliminates the OLA data search.</p>
<p>If a team doesn&#8217;t apply they don&#8217;t go.  If they don&#8217;t provide zone and tourney results, they don&#8217;t go.  Take the burden off the OLA and put it squarely on the shoulders of those that are currently burning up the OLA Minor Board.  The parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Boro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have never found the rankings terribly off.  I&#039;ll mention no cities, age groups, coaches etc.  I will not claim that my center or any other center for that matter are exempt from my comments.  But here&#039;s how I see it.

The ideal would be that every center at every age was striving to become the best team they possibly could and play at the highest level possible.  Unfortunately, this isn&#039;t the case.  That is why it will always be impossible to rate teams in a fashion that will end up pleasing all involved.  

Somewhere along the line, some people got it into their heads that winning a C Championship with a B team was a great thing.  (run the gamut with all of the letters B-A etc.)  You can&#039;t blame the kids, you can&#039;t blame the OLA, and you can&#039;t blame the lower rated teams that play hard for a proper ranking.  Who can you blame?

Parents.  Most coaches are parents, most bench staff are parents, most center executives are parents.  Don&#039;t think for one second that I&#039;ll leave the bleachers alone.  Any parent that doesn&#039;t realize that their child is playing below their capability is lost.  Any parent that buys into a sandbagging philosophy is worse.  I know my son has room on the shelf for another trophy but I wouldn&#039;t want to fill a spot with a sandbag on a piece of wood.

It should be obvious by the OLA Rankings and Provincial results of previous years  where most centers will sit.  There really shouldn&#039;t be large differences from year to year or at least every two years as age groups move up.  Coaching staffs generally stay around the same age group for the playing years of their children.  Additions and deletions in lineups will cause some wandering and some players will advance further than others but for the most part you wont see major shifts.  Any glaring exceptions should be very obvious.  Yes, once they get to Provincials it is too late to change anything, but it will give you the opportunity to see the trend.

The ideas above are great.  In my personal opinion a team should be given the chance to appeal to a higher ranking but not a lower one.  If you want to play better lacrosse, great, if you want to take advantage of kids with a current ability level below yours, too bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never found the rankings terribly off.  I&#8217;ll mention no cities, age groups, coaches etc.  I will not claim that my center or any other center for that matter are exempt from my comments.  But here&#8217;s how I see it.</p>
<p>The ideal would be that every center at every age was striving to become the best team they possibly could and play at the highest level possible.  Unfortunately, this isn&#8217;t the case.  That is why it will always be impossible to rate teams in a fashion that will end up pleasing all involved.  </p>
<p>Somewhere along the line, some people got it into their heads that winning a C Championship with a B team was a great thing.  (run the gamut with all of the letters B-A etc.)  You can&#8217;t blame the kids, you can&#8217;t blame the OLA, and you can&#8217;t blame the lower rated teams that play hard for a proper ranking.  Who can you blame?</p>
<p>Parents.  Most coaches are parents, most bench staff are parents, most center executives are parents.  Don&#8217;t think for one second that I&#8217;ll leave the bleachers alone.  Any parent that doesn&#8217;t realize that their child is playing below their capability is lost.  Any parent that buys into a sandbagging philosophy is worse.  I know my son has room on the shelf for another trophy but I wouldn&#8217;t want to fill a spot with a sandbag on a piece of wood.</p>
<p>It should be obvious by the OLA Rankings and Provincial results of previous years  where most centers will sit.  There really shouldn&#8217;t be large differences from year to year or at least every two years as age groups move up.  Coaching staffs generally stay around the same age group for the playing years of their children.  Additions and deletions in lineups will cause some wandering and some players will advance further than others but for the most part you wont see major shifts.  Any glaring exceptions should be very obvious.  Yes, once they get to Provincials it is too late to change anything, but it will give you the opportunity to see the trend.</p>
<p>The ideas above are great.  In my personal opinion a team should be given the chance to appeal to a higher ranking but not a lower one.  If you want to play better lacrosse, great, if you want to take advantage of kids with a current ability level below yours, too bad.</p>
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